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September 29, 2008Do these Dutch ladies know everything? (final cut)Dear friends, this is the final cut of the very popular blog article of your beloved chess site. I have edited all of your comments, made sure that all references to real persons are removed, and I am proud to anounce the sequel! As soon as investigations come to an end, get prepared to welcome the new thriller story with the dramatic title: "The BanzayFish scandal" or "ZorMaster-gate" :-) I have just discovered that two handles, supposed to belong to two ladies from the Netherlands, two respectable strong women chess players, have crossed the line of politeness and decided to play the role of cheater police investigators. These handles have finally decided to drop out of PlayChess.de (together with a team of other 6 players from the Netherlands) they have not logged in since August 28th, but they have left behind them a lot of written comments which are public available for anybody. The big questions are these: Who cheated whom? and Who has the right to file a good case in normal courts? As you know the comments we write to each other can be still accessed through the history link of a game page. So you should be very careful and write politely to your opponent. These Dutch handles showed the bad habit of accusing their opponents of cheating and connected this accusation with the fact that their opponent has no FIDE Elo or is not a registered chess player. Here is a brief collection. Sit back and enjoy or click the links to get the full image. Let's start with BanzayFish who has a problem with players that don't show up OTB. The other handle supposed to belong to a younger lady uses even sharper language. Yes ZorMaster and BanzayFish as well. It is time to inform all members of this site and the rest of the world about your bad sportsmanship. But ZorMaster and BanzayFish, please, let's make this clear: I don't hope that you get an accident. I only wish that you understand that Internet is a place that some rodents pretend they are lions and it is possible that there are rodents who are real lions and for some private reasons do not like to be socially involved in OTB chess. All of them hide behind handles and they should be equally respectable, they don't deserve in any case the language you used against them. Please come back to the site both of you and make a public statement, an apology for your sharp language. This last part of the article seems very silly to me right now. The comments that all of you have posted are divided. Some of you believe that cheating is more important, some of you believe that more important is using sharp language. I am going to examine all of your comments. But this is not the point right now. Here, in this case it seems that we've all been cheated guys. From now on this article is closed for comments. Sorry, for cutting the dialogue in the middle of the heat. But don't worry. Soon enough a new blog entry is going to present details of "The BanzayFish scandal" or "ZorMaster-gate". Posted by Michalis Kaloumenos at September 29, 2008 10:40 PMComments
Hi Michalis, I am very shocked at your methods... I subscribe to their complaint. Posted by: gambitfan at September 28, 2008 01:14 PM Thought I'd add a comment since I too was accused of using a chess engine by ZorMaster, quite a while ago on a different site (chessmaniac.com). Simon Phillips. Posted by: Simon Phillips at September 28, 2008 01:48 PMGreetings, Stan Evans Posted by: Stan Evans at September 28, 2008 03:03 PMThe two dutch ladies r both abuser; more they r a little too much under stress in order to maintain a level (is it reasonable? may be parents and teachers have to pay attention to young players) I am not obliged to know who they r , I can think that if they win they r using a computer.....if sb uses a computer I think he has a problem in his head: what's the point in cheating? Sure, when u play on the net there is a risk that sb is using a computer but that is his mental health problem! Hi Simon, I was laughing at the cheating problem as long as I was in B, A, E HCL classes. It took me 3 years to reach the HCL M class and I discovered there the problem of cheating. Gambitfan. I have to disagree with you. This post does give its source, and it repeats information and names that are already public, if you search the games of the mentioned players. And you miss the point. The rudeness of these two is inexcusable regardless of whether their complaint has a basis. The fact it is spread indiscriminately makes it much worse. If banning Teflon would cause these two to return, that is the best argument I have heard for keeping him here. Posted by: Shurlok at September 28, 2008 04:24 PMHi Michalis, I studied carefully your post... Hilarious ! Posted by: gambitfan at September 28, 2008 04:48 PM> and make a public statement, an apology for your sharp language. Well I guess those ladies are cheating also - in bed!? Posted by: zervikalprolaps at September 28, 2008 08:10 PMSombedy knows the masked avenger's name? Is it a computer? No, really? Hal who comes back from the space odissey? Posted by: onzedu at September 28, 2008 08:22 PMI think that most of you miss the point that those dutch (ladies ????) have an ego problem. Well done Michalis! I experienced myself how it is to be accussed. See, I play chess at 7 and starting to play for a chess club when I was 12 (now 38). I have been champion of my hometown 7 times. My interest in playing on playchess.de is to enhance my skills. I want to let you know that BanzayFish even did try to damage my reputation by posting accussing messages on my chessclub's website! Is it right that a website leader comes on another site to put discord? website: gambitfan!!!! Posted by: onzedu at September 28, 2008 08:53 PMI would like to add to some of the comments on the public scope of the "attack" on the two chessplayers. First off, if they are making these comments online, it can only be assumed that someone would see them, so making them more known is not too much of a problem in my book. They were already public to begin with. The other part is that the website policy talks about cheaters being a possible problem, and gives advice about how to deal with them. To my knowledge that advice did not involve insults and wishes for death or accident. That being said, I think a private confrentation before the public comments (in the case that this was not done) might have been more effective. After that though, I see no reason not to let the venom of the two show. I think it's best for people over time if their errors can be shown, as long as forgiveness is the modus operandi following repentance. Posted by: Zak Smith at September 29, 2008 06:09 AMWell, Let those who are not happy and can not find happiness drop out It's imposible to know here for 100% does somebody cheating or no. But 100% these ladies and another one "aadje" spoiling the fun and spirit of the game and their opponent mood by these "sharp" accusations. Look, in 90% of the losing games they begin to say bullshits about their opponent, this is the most ridiculous thing and it hould be judged. I never faced with such accusations myself (i have just 1500 here), but I know personally a player, who was accused by aadje and zormaster without any reason... Posted by: kublya at September 29, 2008 03:40 PMBanzayFish is Maths professor at Eindhoven University ; she is also a Woman International Master in chess. She is an honourable and respectable person. "aadje is also a scientist at Eindhoven, and a good chess player" "engine user.your game stinks arse" "same ip adres as matu, sore germans" "'brother 1 vs bro 2, bro 3 vs bro 4,hilarious, hehehehe and all have a fake usaf rating in the 2400, LOL...ROFL" http://www.playchess.de/movelist.cgi?gid=1335176&wp=Shurlok&bp=aadje "all cheating by engine play. sore" http://www.playchess.de/movelist.cgi?gid=1311167&wp=aadje&bp=NOHAU "your time will come one day mr engine user. Be happy and think you are a new born gm," And there many others. May be 1 or 2 of them are cheater, but why the rest of them have to listen this trash? gambitfan: there is no exuse for those two. gambitfan! Hi RussDude ! Concerning maik_42 gambitfun, have you ever heard about Mir Sultan Khan? He didn`t know anything about theory, but was a brittish champion an bit Capablanca ones. This is a top layer, and, I suppose, there are much more examples at the lower layers as M-class of playches.de. Nobody knows everything. And, AGAIN, why are you begin to judge somebody? Do you have a REAL evidence? The point here is INADMISSIBLE bihaviour of several players, why it`s not clear for you, not cheating... Posted by: kublya at September 29, 2008 07:07 PMDid Mir Sultan Khan sleep with Fritz9 ?? Posted by: gambitfan at September 29, 2008 07:42 PMgambitfan! |
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